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TIMOR: Debate over whether to have reconciliation process 6/09/01
17:23:49 | Asia Pacific Programs
Audio at http://www.abc.net.au/ra/asiapac/programs/m273643.asx
Tomorrow is the second anniversary of the Suai massacre in East Timor,
when Indonesian backed militias stormed the Suai church slaughtering
hundreds of civilians seeking sanctuary, after a terror campaign following
East Timor's independence vote. So far no-one has been indicted for the
Suai killings. There are diverging views about whether prosecuting those
responsible for war crimes will benefit East Timor as a nation. Xanana
Gusmao wants amnesties considered for those involved in the killings and
is pushing for a reconciliation approach. But others fear a reconciliation
process will allow war criminals to re-enter East Timor with impunity.
Transcript:
(SFX of women wailing at Suai massacre memorial)
FITZGERALD: Widows in Suai grieving for the victims of the Suai Church
massacre. On September the 6th 1999, one week after the UN ballot that set
East Timor on the path to independence, militia groups, backed by the
Indonesian military, slaughtered hundreds of people who had sought
sanctuary in the Church. The victims included women, children and priests.
Two years later an extraordinary meeting is taking place in a thatched
community hall behind the church.
East Timor militia leader Helio Caetano Monis has returned to Suai, the
town his militia comrades gutted two years ago and he is facing a crowd of
hundreds of villagers.
Helio lives in a refugee camp in West Timor and has returned to his
hometown, to ask his relatives and neighbours to forgive the violence two
years ago and to allow him and his comrades to return home.
His visit is sponsored by the United Nations and receives a favourable
reception from the Suai community representatives who are lining the front
benches of the meeting.
This youth leader tells Helio he can return to Suai providing those who
committed the killings face justice.
There are no raised fists or angry accusations, just hundreds of
villagers staring intently at Helio's face.
Outside the meeting Suai man Sylvania Lopez says despite all the deaths
the community wants the militia leaders to return so the civilians trapped
in the West Timor camps can come back home with them.
LOPEZ: "Yeah I'm not angry with him because now I want peace, I
want peace with him, with them."
FITZGERALD: And how about the other people in Suai, how do they feel if
he returns to Suai with his militia men?
LOPEZ: "I think everybody will be happy because they can come
together, we can have reconciliation with them about front for East
Timor."
FITZGERALD: Later back at the sprawling UN compound in Dili, I asked
the 29-year old Helio Caetano Monis why he had returned to face the
community which his militia comrades devastated two years ago. He says he
is bringing messages of reconciliation from the refugee camps on the
border.
MONIS: "We ask for apologies for everything that happened in the
past, and we see this as a collective trouble of all of us. So we are
prepared to forget everything and we are ready to start a new life
together in the independence of East Timor. We all say congratulations for
everybody for Falantil, for CNRT, for everybody who has struggled for
change for years against Indonesian occupation, also against our
choice."
FITZGERALD: How difficult was it for you to go back to Suai today and
face all those people?
MONIS: "The difficulty for me is that after the ballot we all
leaving East Timor and my friends in Suai or my brother or my friends in
Kovalima they have accused me, my family that we must take responsibility
with everything happening. And I think it is ok but I should clarify first
to them that I am not as what they are thinking. But if they don't believe
me I just ask them please let me come to justice, to a court."
FITZGERALD: Some people in West Timor must be unhappy about you wanting
to pursue reconciliation because they want to keep the past alive. Will
you face any pressure or threats from them?
MONIS: "I'm aware that I will be facing many difficulties,
especially many of my friends will hate me because it's so that I have
left them in their struggle, but I will accepting, I hopefully, one day I
am not wrong and they will follow what I do today."
FITZGERALD: Helio has pledged to bring back as many as seven thousand
refugees, which explains why the UN has sponsored his visit to East Timor.
The visit is part of a reconciliation campaign, orchestrated by the UN,
and backed by national leader Xanana Gusmao.
The UN has established a Commission for Reception, Truth and
Reconciliation, which will steer the reconciliation process between
victims and lower ranking militia members.
Vicki Tcheong works for the commission and says many victims of the
massacres want to be able to confront the perpetrators to help them
overcome past trauma.
TCHEONG: "They usually had very democratic way of resolving
conflicts in the community level and what they used to do is lay the mat
on the floor and then start chewing their betel nuts and smoke the corn
leaf, dried corn leaf tobacco, and then start talking to each other about
problems. And they had a middle man who is probably in the modern term the
judicial head in the village who would act as the mediator and talk
between the perpetrators and the victims and resolve the issue. So it's
not really a new thing for the community."
FITZGERALD: The push to reconcile the people of East Timor and the
militia leaders has its critics though.
Within the UN it's created a tug of war between staff working on the
well-resourced reconciliation program and the under-resourced Serious
Crimes Unit, which is prosecuting war criminals.
James Dunn has worked with the Serious Crimes Unit and was an
Australian diplomat in East Timor over 30 years ago.
He wants to see an International Tribunal held to prosecute East
Timor's war criminals and is critical of the UN's emphasis on
reconciliation. He says it could further delay the trials of detained
militia leaders and derail the prosecution of more serious war criminals.
DUNN: "There is talk now of offering an amnesty to the militia
leaders in West Timor, and that would mean of course that are they going
to release these guys from prison? Because these are the small people,
they're ordinary fighters who were given orders to attack, were given
drugs in most cases by Indonesian officers, and of course they killed and
they're now deeply remorseful. So whether they're going to be released or
not I don't know, but they've gone through a UN process.
"And there are different views on this, I mean at the one end you
have Xanana and the UN representative who had been negotiating this, the
return of the refugees from West Timor. And you have people who have had
relatives killed or themselves have been brutalised, been tortured who are
really not so ready to forgive and forget. It's not over yet because you
know I've talked to many people who are very fond of Xanana and want him
to be president but don't agree with this process of forgiving and
forgetting.
"I think it has to go a little way ahead, there has been a process
of bringing these people back and in some cases to confront the community
and to talk over whether they'll be allowed back. And I think by and large
it's been a positive process, but I don't know what's going to happen when
the really bad militia leaders come back, I mean those who like Jaoa
Tevarres who were responsible for murder over a long period of time. I
think that's going to be more difficult.
"And for me, the big issue in any case is what about the
commanders? I mean what we mustn't forget is that what happened in 1999
was a carefully planned conspiracy by a group of senior Indonesian
military officers with the knowledge of Wiranto to sabotage this process
of self-determination and prevent the loss of East Timor."
FITZGERALD: Back in Suai, there are fresh flowers on the memorial
stones. At the church hall Sister Elsa Fernades shows me the simple graves
of the slaughtered priests. She says the community reconciliation meeting
has stirred up painful and upsetting memories.
FERNADES: "I am really sorry now because on the 6th of September
1999 is something that is hard to forget, it's very, very, I don't know
how to explain it. One day you can look at their friends who came from
Atambua, they said we feel like the 6th of September. Looking at his face
we remember everything that already passed, especially the priests.
"And at the same time they said please, tell the people out there
to be back and then so that they can see how we are. If we are happy they
are also happy and tell them to come back. And the others said please,
when they come back accept them, forgive them."
[The sound from the Suai memorial service was from the documentary film
Circle of Stones by Jenny Hughes]
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