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Subject: Former East Timorese militia leader to run for office
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The World Today - Former East Timorese militia leader to run for office
The World Today - Thursday, 2 April , 2009 12:30:00
Reporter: Margie Smithurst
ELEANOR HALL: He was jailed by the Indonesian Government for his role
in a massacre of 12 East Timorese protesters in the pro-independence
uprisings of 1999. Now Eurico Guterres, the former leader of a
pro-Indonesian East Timor militia, is running in the Indonesian national
elections seeking a seat in the province of West Timor.
He's counting on the support of about 100,000 pro-integrationist East
Timorese who fled over the border after East Timor won its independence.
Margie Smithurst spoke about the move to Timor analyst, Dr Clinton
Fernandes:
MARGIE SMITHURST: Dr Fernandes, you travelled recently to Kupang in
West Timor and saw for yourself Eurico Guterres' campaigning efforts for
the Indonesian election, didn't you?
CLINTON FERNANDES: Yes, I did. Eurico Guterres is standing for election
with the National Mandate Party. His election posters are deployed quite
prominently all around Kupang and elsewhere. The slogan he uses is 'It is
time for Timorese to speak up, to be strong, consistent and responsible'
and that is an obvious allusion to the fact that there are 100,000 East
Timorese living in West Timor.
These are people who were implicated in militia violence and other
crimes and their families. So he is appealing to them and that is why his
election posters have that slogan on them.
MARGIE SMITHURST: Guterres is quoted as saying to a Fairfax journalist
recently that he wants to make sure that the East Timorese refugees living
in West Timor who want to return to East Timor will be accepted well. Now
how would you view a statement like that?
CLINTON FERNANDES: Well, I think that he is trying to present himself
as a representative of their interests and trying to put himself in a
position where he wants to deal on a one-on-one basis with the Timorese
Government. In other words he wants to negotiate directly with the
Timorese Government. Certainly I know for a fact that he has been making
overtures to Xanana Gusmao himself using indirect means.
These are not refugees who have fled because they are somehow in fear
of their lives. They fled because they were part of the forced
deportation, ethnic cleansing campaign against the Timorese and when the
Australian military and the international force went in, in 1999, they
left because they were the ones committing the brutalities.
So yes, they are living in West Timor and what he wants is to organise
them into a constituency to negotiate directly with the Timor-Leste
Government.
MARGIE SMITHURST: Well what are the implications? If Guterres does win
and using this voting block, what are the implications in your opinion for
East Timor and in particular on that border area?
CLINTON FERNANDES: It is almost certain to me that if he were to become
electorally significant, even if he didn't win but delivered enough votes
in his name, he would be in a position to exert strong influence with the
border police on the Indonesian side and to accelerate the human
trafficking, drug trafficking and smuggling activities that are going on
in between East and West Timor.
You see the border between the two halves of the island is very porous
and it is quite easy to smuggle drugs into East Timor.
MARGIE SMITHURST: But what about the idea that a man who was jailed for
his leading role in the killing of 12 people in the house of a
pro-independence activist in East Timor in 1999, could be the man in power
just over the border?
CLINTON FERNANDES: It would be galling to many people in East Timor but
it would also be a threat to the country. Not just personally bad for the
people who suffered but it would be a threat to the country.
The thing is he doesn't actually need to win his seat in order to be a
threat. Simply being able to be a representative of 100,000 East Timorese
in West Timor gives him significant negotiating clout because they would
then be in a position to control things like smuggling rackets, gambling
rackets, petty crime and so on.
MARGIE SMITHURST: Eurico Guterres is one of many candidates. What are
his chances in your opinion?
CLINTON FERNANDES: Look, I don't know precisely what will happen on the
9th of April but he has a very significant voting bloc. Whether they vote
as a block or not will determine whether he wins. If they all vote for him
then definitely he is going to go to Parliament as one of the
representatives for West Timor.
ELEANOR HALL: That is Dr Clinton Fernandes from the University of New
South Wales speaking to Margie Smithurst.
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